Comments on: The American Evangalical Zionists gearing up for their Last Crusade! http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/344/ America's Speaker's Corner Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:09:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Alex http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/344/#comment-109 Alex Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:15:10 +0000 http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/344/#comment-109 I'm an avid historian (read over 1000+ books over many cultures and timeframes), but no theologian. The holocaust that happened to Jews and others was a terrible crime and the term "never again" should be upheld. But "never again" will NOT be upheld unless it is applied to everyone even the Mongolians (they are cool). At the same time, the 6 million number cannot be correct: there were barely that many Jews living in Europe; the Germans were technologically incapable of killing 12 million (every holocaust victim including German dissenters) people in a holocaust manner; and the number could have been 5,999,999 or 5,999,998 or 5,000,000 or 3,000,000 or 1,500,000 (this 'arguing over numbers' line of thought comes from a story in the Hebrew Bible). Though Jewish persecution in WW2 Europe was horrific, it is simply impossible to prove the 6 million number, period. I'm not a Buddhist, but let's perform one of their thought experiments. Ready? Franklin D. Roosevelt once said: “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way.” Whoever benefits from a circumstance is usually the cause of it. The ‘shoa’, Hebrew for holocaust, also means “burnt offering” – a sacrifice to God. If the Zionist knew that historically mass emigration only happens through severe persecution (via man or Mother Nature), what sacrifice would they need to create Israel? What happened first: birth of Zionism, Holocaust or Israel? Bearing in mind that there can be multiple causes to the same effect, what is the cause and effect? All people of middle-class origin who experience a rapid rise to great power had a puppet-master or benefactor. There is simply no other ‘prime’ reason or explanation. After all, Adolf Hitler (middle class origin) didn't really hate the Jews - he cared solely about the blinding lust for power - as they, Zionist searching for a ‘burnt offering’, helped finance his rise to power. Somebody, with large sums of money, had to finance Hitler. Who has a ton of cash and a cause (see German-Zionist transfer agreements to Palestine) which benefited at the end of WW2? Don’t take my words in a judgmental manner as "all suffering comes from resistance to what is..." -Buddha. Regarding the heart of Zionism, a gentile at a World Zionist Organization meeting would feel like a black man at a Ku Klux Klan (KKK) rally. If there is an "after life", Arial Sharon, Theodor Herlz (Zionist National Socialism founder) and Adolf Hitler (German National Socialism) are all playing cards in the same place. Search your feelings. What deep self-evident truth, at least in part, do you find in these aforementioned statements? I’m an avid historian (read over 1000+ books over many cultures and timeframes), but no theologian.

The holocaust that happened to Jews and others was a terrible crime and the term “never again” should be upheld. But “never again” will NOT be upheld unless it is applied to everyone even the Mongolians (they are cool). At the same time, the 6 million number cannot be correct: there were barely that many Jews living in Europe; the Germans were technologically incapable of killing 12 million (every holocaust victim including German dissenters) people in a holocaust manner; and the number could have been 5,999,999 or 5,999,998 or 5,000,000 or 3,000,000 or 1,500,000 (this ‘arguing over numbers’ line of thought comes from a story in the Hebrew Bible). Though Jewish persecution in WW2 Europe was horrific, it is simply impossible to prove the 6 million number, period.

I’m not a Buddhist, but let’s perform one of their thought experiments. Ready?

Franklin D. Roosevelt once said: “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way.” Whoever benefits from a circumstance is usually the cause of it. The ‘shoa’, Hebrew for holocaust, also means “burnt offering” – a sacrifice to God. If the Zionist knew that historically mass emigration only happens through severe persecution (via man or Mother Nature), what sacrifice would they need to create Israel? What happened first: birth of Zionism, Holocaust or Israel? Bearing in mind that there can be multiple causes to the same effect, what is the cause and effect?

All people of middle-class origin who experience a rapid rise to great power had a puppet-master or benefactor. There is simply no other ‘prime’ reason or explanation.
After all, Adolf Hitler (middle class origin) didn’t really hate the Jews - he cared solely about the blinding lust for power - as they, Zionist searching for a ‘burnt offering’, helped finance his rise to power. Somebody, with large sums of money, had to finance Hitler. Who has a ton of cash and a cause (see German-Zionist transfer agreements to Palestine) which benefited at the end of WW2?

Don’t take my words in a judgmental manner as “all suffering comes from resistance to what is…” -Buddha. Regarding the heart of Zionism, a gentile at a World Zionist Organization meeting would feel like a black man at a Ku Klux Klan (KKK) rally. If there is an “after life”, Arial Sharon, Theodor Herlz (Zionist National Socialism founder) and Adolf Hitler (German National Socialism) are all playing cards in the same place.

Search your feelings. What deep self-evident truth, at least in part, do you find in these aforementioned statements?

]]> By: Sami Jamil Jadallah http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/344/#comment-108 Sami Jamil Jadallah Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:46:03 +0000 http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/344/#comment-108 With all due respect to those who make the number of Jews perished in the Holocaust an issue, I can only say if the numbers are two millions or ten millions it does not make the crime lesser and it does not take away from the fact that millions, and I stand by the number 6 millions were killed and executed simply because they are Jews. This is a horrenodus crime, let us learn from it. Of course one is very saddened by the fact that Israel and the entire Zionist machines made the Holocaust a business and industry, a milking cow for the Zionist agenda. Too bad that prominent survival of such a horrific crime such as Elie Weisel and Tom Lantos never had the courage nor the moral backbone to stand up once and tell Israel enough is enough with its crimes against the Palestinian people.these two in particular are moral and decadent hypocrites for never speaking out against Jewish crimes against the Palestinian people. One would expect that those who suffered simply because they Jews,will stand up for the Palestinians as they suffer simply because they are Palestinians and simply do not wish to go away and disappear. It is sad and trajic that the issue of the number of Jews killed remains an issue. My posistion remains the same whether it is one Jew or 10 million Jews the crime is the same. With all due respect to those who make the number of Jews perished in the Holocaust an issue, I can only say if the numbers are two millions or ten millions it does not make the crime lesser and it does not take away from the fact that millions, and I stand by the number 6 millions were killed and executed simply because they are Jews. This is a horrenodus crime, let us learn from it. Of course one is very saddened by the fact that Israel and the entire Zionist machines made the Holocaust a business and industry, a milking cow for the Zionist agenda. Too bad that prominent survival of such a horrific crime such as Elie Weisel and Tom Lantos never had the courage nor the moral backbone to stand up once and tell Israel enough is enough with its crimes against the Palestinian people.these two in particular are moral and decadent hypocrites for never speaking out against Jewish crimes against the Palestinian people. One would expect that those who suffered simply because they Jews,will stand up for the Palestinians as they suffer simply because they are Palestinians and simply do not wish to go away and disappear. It is sad and trajic that the issue of the number of Jews killed remains an issue. My posistion remains the same whether it is one Jew or 10 million Jews the crime is the same.

]]> By: ian http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/344/#comment-107 ian Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:28:17 +0000 http://www.jeffersoncorner.com/344/#comment-107 It is nice that you are exposing zionism as it needs to be. But let's not use that 6 million figure anymore as it has been clearly proven to be a fabricated number. Consider Auschwitz lowered it's death toll from 4 million to 1.5 million in '76, so even if you consider the death tolls of the other camps to be accurate we can only say 3.5 million jews killed in Nazi Germany. Why make this point, simply to put into perspective the fact that Jews were not disproportionately killed in Nazi 'WORK' camps. Arabs however have been targeted by Zionists for the last 100 years, with millions dead and displaced, and have not a single museum, memorial or Hollywood Movie to show for it. It is nice that you are exposing zionism as it needs to be. But let’s not use that 6 million figure anymore as it has been clearly proven to be a fabricated number. Consider Auschwitz lowered it’s death toll from 4 million to 1.5 million in ‘76, so even if you consider the death tolls of the other camps to be accurate we can only say 3.5 million jews killed in Nazi Germany. Why make this point, simply to put into perspective the fact that Jews were not disproportionately killed in Nazi ‘WORK’ camps. Arabs however have been targeted by Zionists for the last 100 years, with millions dead and displaced, and have not a single museum, memorial or Hollywood Movie to show for it.

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